From: "Electric Dreams" <email@example.com> | This is Spam | Add to Address Book
To: "Thomas Bowman" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: Re: HO Magnet car.
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 21:00:43 -0700
I agree with everything you said. Regardless of who did it first, you are the one who pushed the concept in HO racing and deserve the due credit for it. And I am convinced that you were unaware of my own research in early 1970, as there was little chance that you would have been a reader of MAR.
When I went to work for the COX company in 1973 and developed the 1/40th "SuperScale", it was the first time that I was able to convince a manufacturer to use the magnet in a production car. Thus, the COX SuperScale line was the first PRODUCTION slot car in the world to use one specifically for added traction. However, the "Magna-Traction" by Aurora came in 1974 and were the first HO car to use the motor magnets for added traction, and the G-Plus (1975) was the second. But it took much longer for a HO manufacturer to install traction magnets which you developed and that I pushed without success on Riggen and Dynamic. I believe that Tyco did that in 1978. I am now retired but I run a business of vintage slot cars and parts called Electric Dreams in Costa Mesa, CA. But I have big plans to now develop and build my own 1/32 and 1/24 scale "T-Jet" like cars, in other words virtually maintenance free cars. I posted photos of the prototypes on OWH. As the COX SuperScale, they do not have lead wires, use a pin-type guide flag and have two magnets, one behind the guide, one below the motor. The motor greatly profit from the extra magnet and performance from a stock motor is actually increased. The sites where you can see these cars are: http://pub11.ezboard.com/ftheoldweirdherald132scale.showMessage?topicID=308. topic for the 1/32 scale and http://electricdreams.freeservers.com for the 1/24 scale.
The site where I posted the HO prototype photos and description is http://pub11.ezboard.com/ftheoldweirdheraldhoscale.showMessage?topicID=60.to pic All of these subjects created of course major controversy, but what the heck, I can take the beating.
I would be very pleased if you can take the time to visit me whenever you will be in SoCal. I thank you for the information that you provided and will be, along with the copies of the published stories, able to use it in my book.
I probably will give you a call when I am pinpointing some details in the story. May I have your authorization to use your response E-mail for clarifying the situation on DLís on the net?
Of course, they are only toys, but we only live so long so letís enjoy
aspect of the hobby!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Bowman" <email@example.com>
To: "Electric Dreams" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: HO Magnet car.
- Hi Phillipe...
- My first car may have been in 70 or 71, I donít
- know if it was before your car or not. My first
- magnet car was a Bachmann, not an AFX, there are pix
- on my web site. And it was at least six months after
- the Bachmann was raced before I put magnets on an
- Aurora car, and that was a Tuff One. However the AFX
- was out at that time, but I reverted to the TuffOne
- chassis, because I needed more ground clearance for
- the mid-mounted traction magnet. I used the TO
- chassis for awhile before developing a thinner
- mid-mounted magnet that would work on an AFX. You may
- have very well done your car first, as I canít really
- remember exactly when mine was built...but I was not
- aware of your car and nobody told me about it, until
- last year...when you put the MAR cover on the web.
- But to me the important factor, is that I went around
- promoting the concept and racing the car in the top HO
- groups, HOPRA and HOUROC at the time. Generally, if
- you talk to any of top HO racers of that time, I.E.
- Randy Kemp, Ron Esterline, George Sherlock, Alan
- Miltich, Jim Cauthon, Gary Beedle, Dave Ferguson,
- etc...their first knowledge of a magnet car, was of my
- car. I know youíve done an incredible amount of slot
- car development, and invented the Turbo controller and
- worked with Cox, Riggen and other companies. But It
- seems me, you didnít do anything with your magnet car
- at the time, where I actively promoted mine. My
- thought is that who knows, if somebody living in some
- remote part of world came up with the concept long
- before you or I built a car...but if that was the case
- they didnít do anything to promote the technology.
- After the Car Model article came out, Oscar Kovelski
- called me and worked out a deal, he paid for a patent
- search on the idea...his patent attorneys came up with
- several related patents using magnetic axles on model
- trains to help the train climb steep grades, so they
- felt a useful patent couldnít be obtained. I worked
- with Auto World, and they came out with first a
- package of magnets and then a clip to fit the AFX with
- a front and rear magnet. I also wrote three articles
- for the Aurora racing handbook, one on painting clear
- bodies, how to build a split pan AFX and how to build
- the two magnet brp MK I magnet AFX car. This article
- never got published, because Aurora was coming out
- with the Magna-Traction car and I believe Aurora had
- AutoWorld kill the article.
- I live in Virginia now, and probably wonít be in
- California until next years Fray in Feb. I would be
- happy to meet with you, and if I can contribute
- anything for your book, I would be happy to do so. My
- interest now and in the early 70ís is just promoting
- the hobby. If you would like to talk to me in person,
- my number is 757-471-3847. Iíd like to hear more
- about your plans.
> --- Electric Dreams <email@example.com> wrote:
- > Thanks Thomas, for your answer. My question is not
- > of vanity of course (at
- > my age I could not care less) but of accuracy. I
- > made my magnet car (the
- > source of controversy) as one of the first projects
- > I did in the United
- > States in May-June 1970. The car is illustrated (I
- > still have it!) in the HO
- > section of Old Weird Herald.
- > When I saw the story by Kilgore in Car Model in Ď72,
- > I showed it to Ray Hoy,
- > MC&S and MAR publisher (who knew about my car since
- > he published a photo of
- > it in MAR in early 1971) and we had a good
- > laugh...But it could be very
- > possible that you actually had built a car LONG
- > before the Car Model story.
- > An easy way to find out is simple: if your first car
- > was based on an AFX, it
- > would date it relatively precisely because the AFX
- > came in early 71.
- > Assuming that you played a little while with the new
- > car before you placed
- > magnets on it, it would have been devised in mid 71.
- > Does this make sense?
- > I would like to write my book as accurately as
- > possible...
- > I would be really happy to meet you as you are a
- > pioneer and I have a lot of
- > respect for anyone using their head in this world of
- > brain dead people.
- > Where do you live, in ND or have you moved closer to
- > heat?
- > As you may know, we will organize a Proxy race in
- > California in September.
- > May be you could visit?
- > Best regards,
- > PDL
> To: "Electric Dreams" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 9:15 PM
> Subject: Re: HO Magnet car.
- > ----- Original Message -----
- > From: "Thomas Bowman" <
Slots@topica list. If
> > youíve seen my web page,
> > http://www.00homepage.com/horacer ...I have a page
> > describing the magnet car development from my
> > prespective. Ed didnít really have anything to do
> > with it, other than writing a CM article about
> > a third magnet to the front of a Tjet to boost the
> > magnet strength on the arm. Our club, HORA of
> > was a leading HO club of the late 60ís to early
> > 70ís...we started adding extra motor magnets to
> > sides of a tjet to improve on Edís 3 magnet
> > and noticed better handling as well as a stronger
> > effect on the armature. I then put a bar magnet
> on a
> > Bachmann, but donít really know when all this
> > exactly. Our club had been racing magnet cars for
> > awhile before Orv Banasik and myself went to
> > California to race in the Houroc open in the
> Spring of
> > 72. There is an article about this race in the
> > current issue of HO Slot Car Journal, published by
> > Scale Autoís Gary Beedle. I spent alot of time
> > promoting the idea of the magnet car, by building
> > and racing them around the country...Randy Kemp
> > one my cars to Howard Kilgore, who published it in
> > Model, (which is on my web page)...I just met
> > at the Fray in Ferndale, California and we talked
> > quite a bit about those days, and he just sent me
> > car that Randy Kemp had sent him, that one the
> > vs. Michigan race. Iím planning an article on it
> > our webzine, HO World. So I donít know if that
> > or not...hope to race with you one day.
- > > Hi Phillippe...
- > > I of course know who you are, I remember an
- > > article way back in MCS or CM when you just came
- > over
- > > from France, and had designed the Heller 512S, and
- > > lotís of slot car designs. In fact Iíve gotten
- > into
- > > 1/32nd scale and Iím on the
> > >
> > > Best Racing,
> > > Hello Thomas,
> > > My name is Philippe de Lespinay, and I had the
> > > hardest time to find you.
> > > Apparently, I was looking in all the wrong
> > > I am not too much of a HO enthusiast, but
> somehow I
> > > was involved in quite a
> > > few that were commercially produced, and some
> > > were not.
> > > I am writing another book and would like to hear
> > > from you, when is the exact
> > > date at which you and I assume Ed Bianchi?
> > > constructed the first HO car with
> > > magnets added specifically to improve traction?
> > > records show of course
> > > the Car Model 1972 story, but there is a time
> > > before that, and I am
> > > trying to pinpoint the date if you could
> > > As you might know, I
> > > created a bit of controversy with my own car...I
> > > know that neither of us
> > > knew of each other at that time, and frankly
> > > now.
> > > Best regards,
> > > PDL
- > > Tom
- > > --- Electric Dreams <
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > =====